On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:58 PM Jeremy Cline <jeremy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 12:11:56PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 04:34:55PM +0000, Jeremy Cline wrote: > > > I'd just like to say that I have found this thread very demoralizing. I > > > think Randy has valid points and has brought them up far more > > > respectfully than I could and I feel like it's being dismissed as > > > trolling. I think this has a very negative affect on people's > > > willingness to put their opinions out there and is going to lead to an > > > echo chamber. > > > > It's definitely gone of the rails, and I'm sorry. I didn't mean for that to > > happen. I want to hear people's opinions even if they're dissenting. > > > > But, I still am having a hard time seeing the thing I quoted as a respectful > > approach. I avoided paraphrasing before, but I'm going to now, not to > > caricature what Randy said but to clarify how it sounds to me and what I'm > > reacting to. The message in entirety was: > > > > I've pointed out a few times that other distros have solved the "too > > fast, too slow" problem. In at least one case, as long ago as 2004. I > > see it as a solved problem and I don't understand why we are trying to > > solve it again. > > > > To, that isn't "hey, maybe you missed an elegant prior art we could adapt". > > To me, it seems to say "this effort is a waste of time -- this problem is > > already solved". > > > > And mentioning "as long ago as 2004" seems ... well, like I said, > > inflammatory. > > > > This is not a respectful way to say this to the people who have put a lot of > > *years* into working on this problem and solving it in Fedora. Even if we > > take as given that other distros have solved the problem for their users, it > > being solved _there_ doesn't directly help us _here_. The work people did to > > get us to where we are now _does_. > > > > I've seen Randy ask multiple times why Gentoo's approach won't work for > us, specifically, and I've seen zero responses (apologies if I've missed > them across all the threads). > I think I mentioned that it would be possible, as OpenPKG actually worked this way. The key for this would be improving the user-experience with interacting with source RPMs and spec files with DNF. We've optimized *heavily* for remote builds, but a good chunk of how Gentoo's mechanism works is built around supporting local permutations. We just don't have that fleshed out yet. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
