On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 12:47, Owen Taylor <otaylor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:40 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 11:37, Owen Taylor <otaylor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Fedora needs to be an operating system provider, not just an operating > > > system toolbox provider. <cut> > > > > I feel like we have been saying this for 15+ years even before Fedora > > was Fedora. Even back in the RHL days, we would argue over whether > > what we were providing was an 'OS' or not versus a toolkit for someone > > else to work with. > > I don't think we've just been saying this, I think we've been steadily > improving in this area - both in our focus and in our processes. The > move to editions was particularly helpful. > I didn't mean to assume we haven't improved on it, but I do believe it is the central 'conflict' we have had. My main worry is that can we actually achieve being an "operating system provider" or are we always going to be a toolbox who isn't happy with itself? (or thirdly, are we already an operating system provider with delusions of being a toolbox?) How can we know if we actually are still making progress if we each have a different definition of what that operating system is. > Owen > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
