Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

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Kevin Fenzi writes:
 > On 10/21/18 6:12 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

 > > years now.  abompard has a few commits, he and pingu still answer mail
 > > but that's about it. 
 > 
 > Well, he has 980 commits, much more than anyone else.

Sure, but in the last couple of years there are only a couple of dozen
commits from all committers.

 > We intend to keep up with upstream, but we haven't dropped other
 > items to do so urgently.

OK, you're right: it's not urgent; HyperKitty is at 1.2.0a1 in our
repo, 1.1.5 is dated October 17 last year, but little has changed and
no new features in the UI.  Fedora's Postorius is 1.1.2 (upstream
1.2.3), but I doubt that many of the issues I have with Fedora's
Postorius are fixed upstream, they're more local installation stuff.
There are many more upstream changes in Postorius vs. HyperKitty, but
I didn't notice any missing Postorius functionality (except web form
signups, and that's deliberate).

Máirín will probably have results in a couple months but we are
unlikely to release again until PyCon (in May, I think).

 > > I don't know the reasons, but somebody at Fedora does: they're the
 > > same reasons that fedoraforum.org exists.
 > 
 > I'm not able to parse this. This very thread is more information that
 > may get us to move it up in priority. Can you rephrase?

I don't know what "Fedora management" values, or what is needed by the
people who are doing the work that devel is designed for (coordinating
packages, troubleshooting dependencies, etc).  However, there are
forums related to Fedora that people have put up (and IIUC fedoraforum
is an experiment set up by the Fedora project itself).  That means
there is some dissatisfaction.  But turning that into requirements, or
justifying using admin resources, etc to upgrade requires more
knowledge about the community than I have.

I haven't found this thread very informative, to be honest.  The email
advocates say "it works, could be better" (which given the traffic
levels I'd have to say is true) which isn't very specific about *what*
works and how it works to enhance productivity, while the forum
advocates are not at all precise about how a forum is supposed to
improve *productivity* of this list.  They're mostly focused on
certain issues, such as ease of entry that I agree are important for a
user support forum, but I don't think they really help the devel
workers (that's my personal opinion, not anything I can claim
expertise on).

 > Sure. I appreciate your input though!

Try and stop me! :-)

Seriously, as I said before, Fedora is currently one of our biggest
publicly accessible Mailman 3 installations.  We want the best for you
first, but if "the best for Fedora" can be Mailman 3, we want it to
shine!

Steve
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