Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: > 1) . . ., no way to get to the menu I think this steps over a line we should not cross. There's a huge difference between HIDING grub's functionality, and essentially DISABLING it. While I'm opposted to hiding the grub menu in general, as long as there's some obvious way to access it, it's only a small annoyance. But I boot rarely, and when I do, it's usually because something has gone horribly wrong and I need as much control over the boot process as possible to get the system running again. Making it difficult for me to even find the tools I need only makes a bad day worse. And the benefit of a few seconds of boot time is no benefit at all for me. And don't say "well you can change it if you want to" if my use case represents a significant portion of Fedora users. Do we even know how many users will end up changing it? Or would prefer it available? Vs how many users really need that extra 1-2 seconds of boot time reduction? And don't say "it will show a menu when it thinks you need it" because that's just plain hubris. I can pretty much guarantee that its idea of when *I* need it, does not match *my* idea. Perhaps boot time is a concern for some Fedora users, like laptops (why aren't they just sleeping?) or VMs/containers (kickstart can change the defaults anyway), but for others it's an impedement (servers, desktops). Let's not go so far to please one group of users that we aggravate (or even alienate) another. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/FH2K4AX7WG5K5BLQCMUHMPSBQAKKYJK3/
