On 06/01/2018 03:07 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> 1) . . ., no way to get to the menu > I think this steps over a line we should not cross. > > There's a huge difference between HIDING grub's functionality, and > essentially DISABLING it. While I'm opposted to hiding the grub menu in > general, as long as there's some obvious way to access it, it's only a > small annoyance. > > But I boot rarely, and when I do, it's usually because something has > gone horribly wrong and I need as much control over the boot process as > possible to get the system running again. Making it difficult for me to > even find the tools I need only makes a bad day worse. And the benefit > of a few seconds of boot time is no benefit at all for me. > > And don't say "well you can change it if you want to" if my use case > represents a significant portion of Fedora users. Do we even know how > many users will end up changing it? Or would prefer it available? Vs > how many users really need that extra 1-2 seconds of boot time > reduction? > > And don't say "it will show a menu when it thinks you need it" because > that's just plain hubris. I can pretty much guarantee that its idea of > when *I* need it, does not match *my* idea. > > Perhaps boot time is a concern for some Fedora users, like laptops (why > aren't they just sleeping?) or VMs/containers (kickstart can change the > defaults anyway), but for others it's an impedement (servers, desktops). > Let's not go so far to please one group of users that we aggravate > (or even alienate) another. Well said. I really wish Fedora had a way of polling its user base democratically for such polarizing changes BEFORE imposing them. Such feedback ideally would be built into and deployed as part of the OS and not require users to routinely go check if their opinion is needed. Rather some client software would do this periodically and then request the user participate. -- John Florian _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/VOBYUAIJ64SZO7UTWRA2A4FZD4YSJZM2/
