Hi All, First of all I want to thank everyone for their input. I also want to make clear that the hide the menu + not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a Fedora 30 thing, quoting myself: "For F29, single OS Fedora Workstation install we get: 1) grub menu hidden by default with a 1 second timeout to press ESC or F8 to show it 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get: 1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot" I understand that some people are worried to not be able to get to the grub menu when they need to. I hear you and I share your worries about this. With that said I want to emphasize out that for F29 you will still be able to always get the grub menu by pressing F8 at boot (or ESC on some Asus and Lenovo machines where the firmware has hijacked F8). This assumes your keyboard works in grub at all, but if it doesn't then nothing changes compared to F28. And we will also show the menu as we used to do in F28 when the previous boot has either failed, or the system was not shutdown cleanly. There has been some discussion about what defines a successful boot. I've been thinking a bit about this and my plan is to set the boot_success flag (which grub itself will clear each boot) from a systemd timer which is part of the users gnome systemd user session and runs after 2 minutes. So we will check that the user successfully logged in and that his gnome3 session has lasted at least 2 minutes. This means that the user will be able to get the grub menu by simply rebooting from the gdm screen rather then logging in, or if gdm does not work just shutting down the machine either by a short press and letting systemd do its thing, or by a forced-power off. Last but not least several people have mentioned that this all needs to be documented properly. I completely agree and I plan to write docs about all of this, but I need to do the code first because of the various freezes and because it is easier to document things once they are finished. Note I hereby _promise_ that I write some proper documentation on this once the code is done. Regards, Hans _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/QLQZB7KOK3OVL3ITFUSEP33TV3FDDCXM/
