> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi All, > > First of all I want to thank everyone for their input. > > I also want to make clear that the hide the menu + > not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a > Fedora 30 thing, quoting myself: > > "For F29, single OS Fedora Workstation install we get: > > 1) grub menu hidden by default with a 1 second timeout to press ESC > or F8 to show it As discussed, this isn’t so great. Can we at least let users hold down a key rather than having to press it at the correct magic time? > 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot > > For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get: > > 1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu > 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot" > I think this is a severe regression. There are multiple use cases that you’re breaking: 1. Nothing failed per se, but I want to test a boot option. I shouldn’t need to reconfigure grub. 2. The system booted successfully but is unusable (due to a graphical glitch caused by a kernel regression, a lost driver due to a dracut issue, or maybe some filesystem issue causing login to fail or the session post-login to be unusable). It would be fixable by booting an older kernel or entering an appropriate recovery mode, but if the menu is entirely gone, then it can’t. 3. The boot failed outright and the “failed boot” logic is busted. I think this is asking for far more trouble than the benefit is worth. I’m not on FESCo, but if I were, I would definitely vote -1. Please at least do the bare minimum and teach grub to notice that some key is held down and show the menu in response. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/RJIG7KP6L3S2PVH5JJNWXYFLA5OEQ6L6/
