On 06/01/2018 02:39 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> First of all I want to thank everyone for their input. >> >> I also want to make clear that the hide the menu + >> not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a >> Fedora 30 thing, quoting myself: >> >> "For F29, single OS Fedora Workstation install we get: >> >> 1) grub menu hidden by default with a 1 second timeout to press ESC >> or F8 to show it > As discussed, this isn’t so great. Can we at least let users hold down > a key rather than having to press it at the correct magic time? > >> 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot >> >> For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get: >> >> 1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu >> 2) grub menu shown with 5 sec timeout after a failed boot" >> > I think this is a severe regression. There are multiple use cases > that you’re breaking: > > 1. Nothing failed per se, but I want to test a boot option. I > shouldn’t need to reconfigure grub. > > 2. The system booted successfully but is unusable (due to a graphical > glitch caused by a kernel regression, a lost driver due to a dracut > issue, or maybe some filesystem issue causing login to fail or the > session post-login to be unusable). It would be fixable by booting an > older kernel or entering an appropriate recovery mode, but if the menu > is entirely gone, then it can’t. > > 3. The boot failed outright and the “failed boot” logic is busted. > > I think this is asking for far more trouble than the benefit is worth. > I’m not on FESCo, but if I were, I would definitely vote -1. > > Please at least do the bare minimum and teach grub to notice that some > key is held down and show the menu in response. I have to agree here. Personally, I would keep the menu as is. > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/RJIG7KP6L3S2PVH5JJNWXYFLA5OEQ6L6/ -- Roger Wells, P.E. leidos 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.wells@xxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/TLBWWMZGJNJYEEVJANWYQ327W6X7YWB7/
