On Dec 9, 2014 1:31 PM, "Reindl Harald" <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Am 09.12.2014 um 21:25 schrieb Pete Travis:
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>> Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake
>> of argument. I share my application with you. The application is
>> intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the
>> application for that purpose. You run the application, it tries to
>> listen to a network port. Magick, prayers, and the ghost of Charles
>> Babbage - or maybe some hypothetical dbus service- does *something* to
>> find out if you really wanted that. You did. Neither one of us is is
>> made incompetent by the convenience.
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> i did not say that nor is anything i said in that thread meant abusive
Of course not. I didn't feel insulted at all. My point is that me as the hypothetical dev, you as the hypothetical tester, and the general public as a hypothetical user base would *all* have a better life if some hypothetical solution existed for my app to ask the firewall for something and for the user to approve it.
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>> Here's the thing: firewalld will let this happen. at here is a dbus
>> interface. Thomas has proven more than willing to accommodate RFEs.
>> Nobody is asking for changes that would solve the problem of frustrated
>> users or developers encountering firewall restrictions. The GNOME folks
>> don't want the UX compromise of rote-clicked dialogs. Nobody else is
>> suggesting an alternative implementation that actually *improves* the
>> Fedora experience. Ideas get more traction than complaints
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> that's true
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> *but* if i do not have a idea to make things really better with all side-effects i hestitate to change the current behavior until i have a good idea
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> the opposite happened with the change of this topic
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Right, I think we're on the same page now. If there's some consensus about a desired behavior, interested parties can start working on it. There's two sides with an all-or-nothing position here, innovation does not come from that.
--Pete
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