Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

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On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sáb, 2014-09-06 at 22:36 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:31:45AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 16:11:37 +0100,
>> >  Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >Hi,
>> > >[1]
>> > >since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group
>> > >have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of
>> > >sysvinit  , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab
>> > >should be modular, for someone else could use his own crontab .
>> > >OTOH , the support of systemd is not good, we got bug opened and they
>> > >are ignored as nothing happens, as for example bug
>> > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088619
>> >
>> > Boycotting systemd seems like a waste of resources. The various
>> > legacy init systems have significant problems and staying with them
>> > forever isn't going to happen. If there is a large set of people
>> > that don't like the direction systemd is going, they should either
>> > be constructively participating in the systemd development process
>> > or trying to develop another alternative that fixes the problems
>> > with legcay init systems while moving in a direction they do want,
>> > if they want to accomplish something. I don't expect anything useful
>> > to come out of a boycott.
>>
>> The boycottsystemd website is stupid.
>
> and completely outdated , gentoo seems that already have systemd and
> uclibc-systemd also . Although few arguments, seems to me, valid .
>
>> However there is a wider problem here.  The "systemd of Fedora 14/15"
>> is not the systemd of today.
>
> I agree 100%
>
>> We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core
>> package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can forever more push
>> any old stuff you want into Fedora, without going back and consulting
>> with the community and FESCo.
>
> "On Qui, 2014-09-04 at 22:12 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Therefore I'd find it useful for systemd take a break and period of
> consolidation to sort out the bugs and impact of systemd on Fedora. "
>
> yeah this and Chris Adams wrote almost synthesized what I think.
> what is the systemd goals ?  plans ? roadmap ? seems that systemd want
> to be a operating system.

It cannot be an operating system by definition because it does not
have a kernel.

As for what it is "systemd is a system and service manager for Linux,
[...]" [1] i.e it manages the system.

1: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
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