On Sáb, 2014-09-06 at 22:36 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:31:45AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 16:11:37 +0100, > > Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >Hi, > > >[1] > > >since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group > > >have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of > > >sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab > > >should be modular, for someone else could use his own crontab . > > >OTOH , the support of systemd is not good, we got bug opened and they > > >are ignored as nothing happens, as for example bug > > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088619 > > > > Boycotting systemd seems like a waste of resources. The various > > legacy init systems have significant problems and staying with them > > forever isn't going to happen. If there is a large set of people > > that don't like the direction systemd is going, they should either > > be constructively participating in the systemd development process > > or trying to develop another alternative that fixes the problems > > with legcay init systems while moving in a direction they do want, > > if they want to accomplish something. I don't expect anything useful > > to come out of a boycott. > > The boycottsystemd website is stupid. and completely outdated , gentoo seems that already have systemd and uclibc-systemd also . Although few arguments, seems to me, valid . > However there is a wider problem here. The "systemd of Fedora 14/15" > is not the systemd of today. I agree 100% > We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core > package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can forever more push > any old stuff you want into Fedora, without going back and consulting > with the community and FESCo. "On Qui, 2014-09-04 at 22:12 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Therefore I'd find it useful for systemd take a break and period of consolidation to sort out the bugs and impact of systemd on Fedora. " yeah this and Chris Adams wrote almost synthesized what I think. what is the systemd goals ? plans ? roadmap ? seems that systemd want to be a operating system. The other problem that folks see when systemd is widely spread on Linux, that is not easy to export to other unix flavors, because the dependencies on kernel and udev which I must agree is not nice, not just for them, but also for us. I understand and agree with logind, localed etc, the sysconfig in systemd and all what is about init scripts, but some other features are more difficult to understand, we must think on Linux to be in embedded systems to super-computer systems ... -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
