On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 08:52:42AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Also I do not recall any lengthy discussions on systemd when it was > proposed. It was just one of these "Feature"-announcement pages hardly > anybody reads. I recall later discussions when systemd became feature > bloated and when controversial details gradually surfaced (TmpOnTmpFS, > UsrMov, journalctl, packaging issues etc.). I'm sorry, but you recall incorrectly. Lennart first sent out a "heads up" email on May 23 in which he stated his intention to submit systemd as a feature for Fedora 14. That email thread contained another 173 messages in response. A new thread sending out a "heads up" that systemd had been accepted as a Fedora 14 feature was started by Lennart on July 14. That thread contains 303 messages in response. After that, another was started July 15 by Lennart to discuss the initial round of unit files. That thread was 48 messages long (including Lennart's initial email). Another "heads up" email was sent by Lennart on July 24 announcing the transition of Rawhide to systemd. That thread collected 45 replies of discussion. Another "heads up" thread on August 4th about disruptions in Rawhide, 43 messages in response. A thread discussing systemd's behavior started August 21st by Matthew Miller. The subject line drifted over time, but that collected 352 messages in response. A thread about packaging guideline implications was started August 23 by Bill Nottingham, with 91 messages. Other threads occurred that I'm skipping. FEsCO decided on September 13th, 2010 to slip the systemd feature to Fedora 15 because it was felt that it wasn't ready. Before that thread, systemd had already collected 745 messages of discussion, mention in automated emails, etc. And this was all before it ever went into a release as the default init system. And I'm only counting messages on fedora-devel. -- Scott Schmit
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