On 09/04/2014 09:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:50:42PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Do we really need another systemd thread?
Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in
advance before they had been deployed. Instead Fedora was confronted with
completed facts.
This is so far from the truth… astounding.
Starting with
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd (4 years ago),
to the really long discussions on -devel.
If you read this page, you'd notice this proposal doesn't have much to
do with what systemd has evolved into today and the impact systemd has
had and still has on Fedora (bugs, defects, system unreliability).
Like other have said, if people had known today's systemd in advance,
they likely would not have welcomed it.
Also I do not recall any lengthy discussions on systemd when it was
proposed. It was just one of these "Feature"-announcement pages hardly
anybody reads. I recall later discussions when systemd became feature
bloated and when controversial details gradually surfaced (TmpOnTmpFS,
UsrMov, journalctl, packaging issues etc.).
That said: I have to repeat my mantra. Fedora's systemd integration
needs a brake to consolidate systemd and to stabilize the distro.
Ralf
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