On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 08:52:42AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/04/2014 09:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:50:42PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>On 09/04/2014 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> > >>>Do we really need another systemd thread? > >> > >>Yes, because Fedora has failed to discuss system and systemd development in > >>advance before they had been deployed. Instead Fedora was confronted with > >>completed facts. > > > > This is so far from the truth… astounding. > >Starting with > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd (4 years ago), > >to the really long discussions on -devel. > > If you read this page, you'd notice this proposal doesn't have much to do > with what systemd has evolved into today and the impact systemd has had and > still has on Fedora (bugs, defects, system unreliability). > > Like other have said, if people had known today's systemd in advance, they > likely would not have welcomed it. The other commented on parts of systemd suite which are not used in Fedora. And four years ago we made a decision based on features and abilities of systemd then. No one can read future. But one can anticipate his needs and develop or pay for development of features suiting his needs. > Also I do not recall any lengthy discussions on systemd when it was > proposed. It was just one of these "Feature"-announcement pages hardly > anybody reads. I recall later discussions when systemd became feature > bloated and when controversial details gradually surfaced (TmpOnTmpFS, > UsrMov, journalctl, packaging issues etc.). /tmp has nothing to do with systemd; UsrMove has nothing to do with systemd; journalctl as a nice feature but has minor impact on Fedora (and related change to remove rsyslog by default was rejected by Fedora). > That said: I have to repeat my mantra. Fedora's systemd integration needs a > brake to consolidate systemd and to stabilize the distro. Any specifics? That's vague statement. -- Tomasz Torcz Morality must always be based on practicality. xmpp: zdzichubg@xxxxxxxxx -- Baron Vladimir Harkonnen -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
