On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:22 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 01/30/2014 02:02 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 >> Johannes Lips <johannes.lips@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use >>> their spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't stress this money thing >>> too much. >>> >> I didn't introduce the money angle, >> just putting into Common language, >> what has been inferred. > > > One would think that Red Hat's community sponsorship is not a "venture > capital" or "Investment" sponsorship but that it is a community sponsorship > as it so clearly states everywhere but apparently Red Hat looks at it that > way that it "owns" the community. I too often get this feeling. If this is a "community sponsored project" and the community obviously wants to keep things the way they are (leaving spins alone), then why are various Red Hat employees constantly saying things like "Red Hat is a business, and sponsors Gnome" and "My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this list which seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given poster think should be payed for without having any expectations or requirements of the Fedora community in return." Enough of this! Nobody from the community is demanding anything from Red Hat. Now, I'm not saying EVERYBODY from Red Hat has this attitude. But this sentiment is OFTEN expressed. To quote a Red Hatter which I believe has it absolutely right: "I think dumping the spins is a very bad and dangerous idea for the whole Fedora/RHEL ecosystem. This will only drive the contributors away, and speaking of the KDE spin here, also a substantial user base." In fact, why don't we take this to a vote instead of arguing about it on this list? Why don't make this a Fedora elections issue? Dan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct