On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are
>> removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less
>> care about them in the future nor test how well it works
>
> That's a separate issue. MTAs and syslog are going to be needed for many
> very important use cases for years to come. That doesn't mean we need to
> install them by default.
It's not really separate.
We don't have any canonical developer documentation that says what is
or isn't a part of the OS, and "good" Linux applications are expected
to use; we only have traditions, word of mouth, and de-facto
standards. In this situation, what is or isn't enabled by default and
shipped by default matters more than saying "are going to be needed
for years to come" - the actions speak louder than the words.
Think of these debates as attempts to, after all the years, agree on
and write down what the traditions and de-facto standards actually
are.
Mirek
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