On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are > removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less > care about them in the future nor test how well it works That's a separate issue. MTAs and syslog are going to be needed for many very important use cases for years to come. That doesn't mean we need to install them by default. Apache, PostgresQSL, and may other important servers aren't installed by default. For that matter, Postfix and Exim aren't installed by default. We can still care about them -- as Fedora or in general -- without putting them on every system whether it makes sense or not. -- Matthew Miller mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx <http://mattdm.org/> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel