Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 21:14, Adam Williamson a écrit : > I asked for evidence, not hypotheses. All you are currently doing is > making an assertion, over and over and over and over again. Pot, kettle I'll add another one: desktop people have complained for years just like you it was a legacy system and surely "something better" should replace it. Yet the "something better" never materialized. When I had a disk go wrong lately I was notified by the big ugly legacy system. I had *zero* notification by all the "better" systems that were given as "evidence". Because the "better" systems do not exist. None of the 'smtpd is legacy" complainers have actually tried to solve the (remote) notification problem, none of them actually understand the reliability and operational constrains, or that being to define message routing (via aliases, procmailrc, sieve, etc) and having solid queuing is integral to the messaging stack fitness. Indeed the sole contribution to the notification question by our default desktop has been to hide notifications since it didn't really know what to do with them (and systemd killed the applet that used to warn users when a service failed at startup) So please do come back when there is some actual tangible progress on this front. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel