On Wed, 17.07.13 14:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlasenk@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually > > at install time or to their ks snippets. > > And this too was answered several times already. > The machine in question may be already borked. > Our support people will need to figure out - > over the phone or email! - what has happened on client's > installation, and having traditional grep/sed/awk > recipes not working anymore because /var/log/messages > is not there anymore is an extremely unwelcome discovery > in an emergency. > > You guys aren't administrators who are dealing with > these problems every day. You don't feel the pain > you create for other people. Again: "cat /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl" "tail -f /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -f" "tail -n100 /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -n100" "grep foobar /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl | grep foobar" This isn't complex. You can grep/sed/awk as much as you want. You just do it over the output of journalctl rather than teh file. That's not that big a difference. And if you really need it as a file, you can do "journalctl > /var/log/messages", and have it in a file. And if that doesn't cut it and you want something that is "living", then install rsyslog and you got the real /var/log/messages back. > > and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have not > > actually tried it and experienced the flexibility the journactl > > gives them it truly is not as bad as some people are trying to > > make it out to be. > > False argument. People (on this thread) aren't complaining about > journactl being a bad thing. > They are complaining about /var/log/messages disappearing. It's only disappearing as a file, it is not disappearing as a text format. "journalctl" has that, and thanks to the power of unix pipelines you can make use of that pretty much in the sam ways in grep/sed/awk as the text file itself. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
