= Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering <lennart at poettering net>, Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject org> No longer install a traditional syslog service by default. (Specifically, remove rsyslog from the @core or @standard groups in comps.) The systemd journal will be the default logging solution. Rsyslog, Syslog-NG, and even traditional sysklogd will continue to cover use cases outside of the default. == Detailed description == Let's change the default install to no longer install a syslog service by default — let's remove rsyslog from the "comps" default. The journal has been around for a few releases and is well tested. F19 already enabled persistent journal logging on disk, thus all logs have been stored twice on disk, once in journal files and once in /var/log/messages. This feature hence recommends no longer installing rsyslog by default, leaving only the journal in place. rsyslog will remain the recommended option to install if users require /var/log/messages, need support for the syslog network protocol, or need to enforce strict data lifecycle policies. It's sufficient to install and start rsyslog to get /var/log/messages and BSD syslog support. Also see previous attempt: [1] and previous mailing list discussion at [2] [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd-journal [2] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/172682.html == Scope == Simply remove "rsyslog" from all default install groups in "comps". Packages which strictly require /var/log/messages to exist might need updating to gain dependencies on some kind of syslog daemon (but they needed that before too, so this is mostly just bugfixing that's useful anyway). If any of the packages in the default install is one of those, we need to look at it in detail, and find a solution. However, currently no package of the default install is requiring a syslog implementation. Some tools such as logcheck might need to be updated to process data from the journal instead of /var/log/message. This should be fairily easy as "journalctl" generates the same output as "cat /var/log/messages" previously did. Proposal owners: Commit a change to "comps" to remove "rsyslog" from it. Drop in a file /var/log/README informing users where the log files went, and how do get to the same data as before. Other developers: logcheck needs updating to stay useful. It needs to grep through the output of "journalctl", rather than /var/log/messages. Release engineering: nothing really. Policies and guidelines: Guidelines should clarify that /var/log/message doesn't exist on many systems, but that was already the case before -- so little changes. QA should add a few tests and release criteria about journal functionality. Note that logrotate should stay in the default install, as it is required to rotate wtmp and btmp (the journal synchronously rotates before writing and does not require logrotate for operation). _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
