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On Wednesday 17 July 2013 15:39:23 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 17.07.13 14:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlasenk@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > > instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually > > > at install time or to their ks snippets. > > > > And this too was answered several times already. > > The machine in question may be already borked. > > Our support people will need to figure out - > > over the phone or email! - what has happened on client's > > installation, and having traditional grep/sed/awk > > recipes not working anymore because /var/log/messages > > is not there anymore is an extremely unwelcome discovery > > in an emergency. > > > > You guys aren't administrators who are dealing with > > these problems every day. You don't feel the pain > > you create for other people. > > Again: > > "cat /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl" > "tail -f /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -f" > "tail -n100 /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -n100" > "grep foobar /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl | grep foobar" > > This isn't complex. You can grep/sed/awk as much as you want. You just > do it over the output of journalctl rather than teh file. That's not > that big a difference. > > And if you really need it as a file, you can do "journalctl > > /var/log/messages", and have it in a file. And if that doesn't cut it > and you want something that is "living", then install rsyslog and you > got the real /var/log/messages back. > > > > and quite frankly administrators that complain about journal have not > > > actually tried it and experienced the flexibility the journactl > > > gives them it truly is not as bad as some people are trying to > > > make it out to be. > > > > False argument. People (on this thread) aren't complaining about > > journactl being a bad thing. > > They are complaining about /var/log/messages disappearing. > > It's only disappearing as a file, it is not disappearing as a text > format. "journalctl" has that, and thanks to the power of unix pipelines > you can make use of that pretty much in the sam ways in grep/sed/awk as > the text file itself. > > Lennart > >
Again with this?
The problem is that we need another tool (journalctl) in the middle of that process.
Not to mention the problems (in the form of bugs/incompatibilities) that such tool can introduce in the job ( text files and sed,grep... have decades of refinement).
Regards,
Marc Deop
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