----- Original Message ----- > On Wed, 17.07.13 14:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlasenk@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > > instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually > > > at install time or to their ks snippets. > > > > And this too was answered several times already. > > The machine in question may be already borked. > > Our support people will need to figure out - > > over the phone or email! - what has happened on client's > > installation, and having traditional grep/sed/awk > > recipes not working anymore because /var/log/messages > > is not there anymore is an extremely unwelcome discovery > > in an emergency. > > > > You guys aren't administrators who are dealing with > > these problems every day. You don't feel the pain > > you create for other people. > > Again: > > "cat /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl" > "tail -f /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -f" > "tail -n100 /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -n100" > "grep foobar /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl | grep foobar" > > This isn't complex. You can grep/sed/awk as much as you want. You just > do it over the output of journalctl rather than teh file. That's not > that big a difference. > > And if you really need it as a file, you can do "journalctl > > /var/log/messages", and have it in a file. And if that doesn't cut it > and you want something that is "living", then install rsyslog and you > got the real /var/log/messages back. 1) yum remove rsyslog 2) a line in your kickstart file -rsyslog 3) uncheck the checkbox of rsyslog in anaconda or yumex All three are not complex either. :-) By letting rsyslog the default, you make the one that don't embrace the change happy, because they can continue to do what they always used to do. And for the innovation and aware seekers like yourself, you know exact what you want and don't want, can safely remove the package. A simple change from your side is just a tiny price to pay. This should be simpler than forcing those stubborn mind (such as me) to change, No? -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dchen@xxxxxxxxxx Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
