On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:45:30 +0100 Stijn Hoop wrote: > But I will keep objecting to the single-sided argument that there is > no "GNOME 2 user" that likes GNOME 3. I fully support those who have > tried and rejected the new stuff -- as long as they don't impose their > opinion on me :-) I don't think anyone ever claimed such thing. What we (the Gnome 2 fans, but Gnome 3 "haters") are saying is basically this: * Gnome 3 is a radical change from Gnome 2, in many ways, and for many people this was an unacceptable direction. These were numerous enough to get Cinnamon, Mate and Unity up and working. Some of those (including me) expanded XFCE (or other classical desktops) user base. These combined are a real lot of people. These users aren't going to return. * Gnome devs didn't learn from KDE's mistake (the release of beta stuff as 4.0) and went even further. Users affected by only this might return (like Linus did). * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of those are seeing this as arrogance. * Some trivial stuff is taking months to years to re-implement (shut down). * Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you way. That's one of the reasons why many of us are using linux than windows -- because it traditionally *does not* do so. Randomly breaking things with messages like (oops, something went wrong, please try again) or things behaving unpredictably is *not* the linux way. * We think Gnome 3 is doing similar type of mistake as Windows 8. * We believe that due to the differences between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3, many users left Fedora during the switch. * We think that if we changed default desktop now, it would be less disruptive than when we switched from G2 to G3, because we wouldn't be switching to beta project, however I think that neither Cinnamon and Mate are good candidates. They're too recent both in the world and in Fedora repos. I'd rather have G3 as default than another semi-beta or monolithic-DE-maintained-by-two-or-three people stuff. * gnome devs are systematically removing features many former gnome users thought were useful, and sometimes adding them back again after a year or so of complains. We perceive that as devs doing whatever they wont and ignoring the real users in favour of some imaginary ones. * huge overuse of symbolic icons (this includes the new anaconda) * maybe I forgot something Not every former gnome user agrees with these, but they're probably the ones that are most prominent. Martin
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