Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Jesse Keating wrote:


On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Jesse Keating wrote:
Fedora is just one of the downstream users of Anaconda.  It is incorrect
to assume that the upstream Anaconda development can be dictated solely
by Fedora, any more than upstream RPM development can be dictated solely
by Fedora.

If you want to be truly independent of Fedora, you need to do your
development elsewhere and only import finished and fully working upstream
releases into Rawhide (which need to be testable by Alpha and 100% complete
by Beta), as for any other upstream project in the critical path.

As long as you (ab)use Rawhide to do upstream development and alpha-testing
in, Fedora WILL dictate how you do development.


Sorry, that's not a hard requirement of any other upstream, and KDE/Gnome have frequently used snapshots in rawhide/branched.


Jesse,
To be fair - gnome/kde importing something into rawhide/branched that's not finished doesn't shut down everyone else's ability to test the distro....


I think it is disingenuous to talk about another distro using anaconda - b/c the only other one that does, directly, is rhel - and they're downstream of fedora, too. That doesn't mean things can be dictated - but it does mean that breaking/delaying fedora is not something that should be
done lightly.

I think holding anaconda to higher standards is not a ridiculous concept. For years the requirement for yum and rpm (even in rawhide) has been 'never commit something so broken it cannot be used to revert itself'.

but I'm positive that this conversation is long past the point of productivity so...


-sv

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