----- Original Message ----- > On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 06:31 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > The new anaconda UI and related features are more or less > > > entirely the > > > cause of the slip. > > > > This shows that those changes should not have been done, or at > > least not in > > this way. > > I think it's widely agreed by now that they could have been done > better, > the question is now exactly how we can improve the process. We have bigger issue with features that are OUT OF the process, not communicated at all. If you take a look on New Installer UI, it fits current design, it was a late as the scope was bigger than Anaconda team thought but it's there. But the new upgrade process - it should be standalone feature, we missed dracut feature, same for LVM in Anaconda (again, not UI), live medias etc. So most of the problems were caused not by proposed/accepted features but by real features we weren't aware of. How to avoid it? Honestly I don't know. What can help is to make Feature process easier, so more people would participate as it's all about feature visibility, offload FESCo from that self-contained/leaf packages and give them time to work on critical path ones... https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/896#comment:9 Jaroslav > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora > http://www.happyassassin.net > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel