On 04/26/2012 05:49 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:32:17 +0200, AL (Alec) wrote:
OT? The question here isn't really what submitters do or don't, isn't
it what we could do to improve the process?.
The point is that not all submitters are collaborative, and others don't
seek for sponsors actively. In the needsponsor queue are lots of tickets
where packages are not ready or where a reviewer is simply waiting for
the submitter to respond. It isn't sooooo easy to find submitters who
are willing for compromise and adapt the Fedora's requirements.
People are note always nice, agreed. But isn't part of the problem that
current process forces people which just are interested in a package to
suddenly discover that they are applying to be packagers? Shouldn't some
of these cases be better off if they could drop "their" package in some
kind of wishlist 2.0, and try to get in contact with a packager instead?
Going this way would certainly enforce delays in queues, but I guess
people could accept that (well...) if they knew that the alternative
was to become a packager? A simple "How to get a package into Fedora"
page explaining that you either must become a packager yourself or find
one? That you must either submit a package review request or a ...
packaging request? In either case you need a scarse resource: a
sponsor or a packager.
I would really like to reconnect to Jon's reply at
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/166429.html.
What can we do to support those people who have a great app they wan't
into Fedora, without forcing them to be (possibly bad) packagers?
This is related to the sponsorship process if we can find a way for some
of those which doesn't include sponsoring a new packager.
I've sponsored people before _without_ requiring them to perform package
reviews, _without_ requiring them to submit a new package first, but on
the promise that they want to take over an orphan because they are
interested in the package. This hasn't always worked flawlessly, because
some people disappoint you and drop off silently. Then it's no surprise
some sponsors (and I know a couple of others have proceeded similary) get
more careful.
Sad to hear, but you don't always know why it happens. I recently had a
contact which just disappeared, and I was irritated. Until we got in
contact, and he told me he had been laid off. Things are not always
what they seem to be.
With that said, I understand that such events causes you to be more
careful.
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