how does package-guidelines work? if someone wants to contribute to anything he has to accept that there are rules, and yes everywhere in life are rules a community works only as long as all members are working in the same direction, if many members are not willing to do needed changes because of systemd-transition as example the community has to ask if the change can done at all or if only a few contributors are ignroing outstanding work from release to release they have to be withdrawn because their contribution does simply not exist and the poor quality of their package affects the quality of the distribution at all ________________________________________________________ a community project which wnats to do big changes can not work witout rules over the long, if fedora will act forever in this "few people introduce a big change, many involved people ignore that their help is needed as they are responsible for packages" and finally nobody is responsible for anything" sooner or later fedora will die and each big change like systemd-transition, /usrmove... is one step closer to the dead of the project at all yes, drastical words, but hopefully it helps that people start thinking about the future at all before it is too late Am 10.02.2012 14:04, schrieb Johannes Lips: > You couldn't force voluntary contributors to anything as you could for example not be forced to contribute to the > fedora project as well. So how should this work? > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > Am 10.02.2012 13:07, schrieb Josh Boyer: > > That is the definition of a product. Fedora has never been a product. > > Fedora is a community driven distribution and as such has no central > > or overriding authority to tell people that volunteer their time to go do > > some specific thing they don't feel like doing. > > and that is the root cause > nothing in life works without clear rules > > if a distribution starts soemthing like systemd-transition or /usrmove > it needs clearly resposnibility and at least authority to make > sure that needed work is done or if a big amount of maintainers > does not needed changes to say "stop in this case we can not enforce > the change at all as long we have no way to make it lcean" > > for me the switch from a redhat-controlled distribution to > a complelty community-one does not work, in times before this > change there was a party responsible for the coresystem > > these days everybody and no one is responsible for anything > and "hope the needed work is done somehow from someone" will > not work forever > > > > > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > > -- Mit besten Grüßen, Reindl Harald the lounge interactive design GmbH A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17 CTO / software-development / cms-solutions p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33, m: +43 (676) 40 221 40 icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/ http://www.thelounge.net/signature.asc.what.htm
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