On 02/10/2012 07:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > That is the definition of a product. Fedora has never been a product. > Fedora is a community driven distribution and as such has no central > or overriding authority to tell people that volunteer their time to go do > some specific thing they don't feel like doing. True - however many of us look to fedora as the future RHEL as well. > > At best, FESCo can tell people no. However, they'd have to know > about something bad before it happened, and there are far too many > packages to monitor in that fashion under today's setup. > > josh As a lowly user, there is the impression that creating a sense of urgency late in the cycle and being loud and pushy are good ways to get features in. Sadly, none of those adjectives imply good design or well written software - only claims to same, oftentimes the truth is less so. While I do believe many of the features (as discussed here) have a lot of merit, the way they are arriving in fedora (esp the last year or so) is very disappointing. What can be done? (i) May I suggest new features require a review and comment period with Fesco having the final say. Features that are 'core' - should require substantial review and broader community engagement before being accepted. (ii) Limit major features to 1 per release is also crucial - if that slows dev down too much, then switch to rolling release where testing only allows major feature at a time until that one is solid and moved to production. Only then allow the next major feature into testing. I have watched with some dismay and sadness what is happening to fedora. It can be great again ... however it needs work. gene -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel