On Tue, 24.08.10 13:59, Simo Sorce (ssorce@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:19:38 -0700 > Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 12:10 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > > People like you and me would opt-in. (well I would on some hosts) > > > because we know what we're doing. Expert eyes get a look at it > > > before it's forced onto our users, who are already leaving in leaps > > > and bounds. > > > > Again, Pulse/PolypAudio seems to suggest that this is not the case. > > Why didn't expert eyes who knew what they were doing migrate to that > > before it become default? Or, alternatively, if the expert eyes which > > knew what they were doing did migrate, why didn't they catch the bugs > > that others encountered when it became default? > > Sorry Adam, > I have to say that I tried pulseaudio hard all the way from when it was > optionl until it became mandatory. It took *many* releases before it > became *usable* and that generally on on the "right" hardware. > > In most cases issues were related to poor testing on disparate HW, but > my main grudge is that when issues where reported in most cases the > answer was something to the tune: "the alsa driver suck it is no a > pulseaudio issue". > > Answers like that are BS if you ask me, as applications that didn't > work with pulseaudio generally worked just fine with pure alsa and the > supposedly broken driver. So the expert did what they could, ie, > uninstall pulseaudio and try again 6 months later on the next Fedora > update. Well, a wise man once said: "Audio hackers unfortunately don't grow on trees. In my counting, there are 3 people paid in the whole industry who work on general purpose audio infrastructure of Linux. Two of them are basically busy with keeping the HDA driver up-to-date, if I am correctly informed. The third one is me." http://lwn.net/Articles/398551/ This is all I have to say about criticism on how we handled this: http://lwn.net/Articles/398552/ > That said, on the VM I tried F14 upgrading straight from F12 all seem > fine so far, although the output of systemctl is something I still need > to get used to (I wonder what "maintenance" means referred to the > status of a service) ... That means something isn't right with the service. For more details see: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html The term was stolen from Solaris SMF btw. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
