On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:11:31AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:52:06PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > Everyone has to pay this cost and everyone gets something in return. > > And the way you present this as an _overall win_ is by emphasizing the > returns and decreasing the costs. > > What I hear is discounting the costs as real, rather than actually trying to > decrease them. This makes enemies out of your would-be supporters. Congratulations on a not-very-charged statement of how to use this thread constructively. When the experienced system administrators in this thread bring in their real-world cases of "How should we deal with common situation <X>?", that should be answered with "You can do that in the following ways: <Y>. And if that doesn't work, let's discuss *how* it doesn't work," all of which can be done without attacking people's skills, intelligence, foresight, or motives on either side. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
