On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:52:06PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> > That's what we call a successful transition. Now, we can incrementally > >> > introduce improvements over the next few releases. > >> Once you start doing that people will cry because it is different from > >> what they are used too (does not matter if the change is for the > >> better or worse). > > So, let me ask a question: why do you think people have that response? > Read this thread? Or any other one that introduces any major change? I'm sorry; let me rephrase. What do you think it is that *causes* that response in people? > No, but even if would be very unlikely ... producing books costs time > and money you don't do it because someone said "sometime we will start > using foo". > If anything books document existing stuff (and most of the time lag > behind), not what is planned in X years. I've been the technical editor on several Linux books, and done technical review for others. While they do document what exists, having changes sells new editions, so keeping current is a priority. > > Leadership means making careful, well-conceived decisions. Otherwise, > > it's not leading, it's charging around blindly shouting "follow me!". > Yeah, systemd seems to replace a part of the system which has been > pretty much stagnant for ever and implements a lot of interesting > concepts. > On the other side we have "it isn't 100% like sysvinit" ... That isn't, actually, a fair representation of the "other side". > > Instead, you seem to be trying to argue that change comes for free. > No I am just saying that a change isn't bad because it is a change. "Bad" is a value judgement that I think is unhelpful here. It's not that change is _bad_, it's that change isn't cost-neutral. When you want to change something, you're starting at the bottom of the hill, not at a neutral middle ground. > > (And > > that those who have to pay this cost are "crying".) > Everyone has to pay this cost and everyone gets something in return. And the way you present this as an _overall win_ is by emphasizing the returns and decreasing the costs. What I hear is discounting the costs as real, rather than actually trying to decrease them. This makes enemies out of your would-be supporters. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx> Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
