2009/6/28 drago01 <drago01@xxxxxxxxx>: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Niels Haase<arxs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> 2009/6/27 Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx>: >>> I never know where to reply to these sort of threads... but I guess I >>> will pick here. ;) >>> >>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:44:48 -0500 >>> inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> ...snip... >>> >>>> When I look at a directory listing and see >>>> >>>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live.iso >>>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso >>>> >>>> it is pretty clear to KDE users which image they want. How about we >>>> give the poor Gnome users the same courtesy and indicate which image >>>> includes what they are looking for? Why should KDE be treated better? >>> >>> Because lots of people who go to download "Fedora" have no idea or >>> desire to know what "Gnome" or "KDE" means. >>> >>> Let me pass along (again) my reasoning on this issue: >>> >>> Currently, a number of folks (myself included) thinks that Fedora >>> should have in their target demographic users who are new to Linux in >>> general and Fedora in particular. The sort of people who read a review >>> in a magazine and decide to try out Fedora/Linux, or who have someone >>> suggest they do so. These people expect to go and "download Fedora" and >>> try it out. If they go to a page that has 20 choices, none of which >>> they understand a high percentage of them will just go do something >>> else, or try one and be upset when they download the wrong arch. >>> >>> If the Board decides that this demographic is NOT what Fedora should be >>> aiming for, then I am all for the re-naming and reorganizing the >>> download page. We could have "Gnome desktop", "KDE Desktop", "Xfce >>> Desktop", "LXDE desktop", "server edition", "bare netinstall", and >>> anything else that has enough people working on it to provide a valid >>> offering. >>> >>> So, to try to bring this back to being constructive: >>> >>> 1. Feel free to appeal this decision to the Board. Ask them to overrule >>> FESCo if you think this is a incorrect decision. >>> >>> 2. Try and gather statistics or other data that does indicate that >>> Fedora isn't popular or used by new linux users, and we should abandon >>> trying to interest these people in fedora. Based on all the time I >>> spend helping new folks in #fedora, I don't see this being the case at >>> all. >>> >>> 3. Try and come up with some magical layout that does not present 20 >>> choices to new users, but allows those more experenced users to find >>> the KDE and other installs they want. I really don't know how that >>> would look, but perhaps there is some way. >> >> Magical can be: Shows up a list at the installer where you can chose >> from Gnome or KDE (both on the same line with no default activation) >> and on the next line an alternative environment, here you have thinks >> like E17, XFCE, LXDE ... But you only the them, if you click on >> "alternative". > > Why treat XFCE as second class citizen ... ok lets add it to the list. > But what about LXDE ? ..... GNOME & KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen) XFCE - spin only (second class citizen) LXDE - remix only (third class citizen) Just my two pennies worth. -- Regards, Niels > > You see where this leads too ... a distro should (I would even say > must) provide a default choice. > Its a distro not a bunch of packages that gets shipped. > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
