On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Niels Haase<arxs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 2009/6/27 Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx>: >> I never know where to reply to these sort of threads... but I guess I >> will pick here. ;) >> >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:44:48 -0500 >> inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> ...snip... >> >>> When I look at a directory listing and see >>> >>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live.iso >>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso >>> >>> it is pretty clear to KDE users which image they want. How about we >>> give the poor Gnome users the same courtesy and indicate which image >>> includes what they are looking for? Why should KDE be treated better? >> >> Because lots of people who go to download "Fedora" have no idea or >> desire to know what "Gnome" or "KDE" means. >> >> Let me pass along (again) my reasoning on this issue: >> >> Currently, a number of folks (myself included) thinks that Fedora >> should have in their target demographic users who are new to Linux in >> general and Fedora in particular. The sort of people who read a review >> in a magazine and decide to try out Fedora/Linux, or who have someone >> suggest they do so. These people expect to go and "download Fedora" and >> try it out. If they go to a page that has 20 choices, none of which >> they understand a high percentage of them will just go do something >> else, or try one and be upset when they download the wrong arch. >> >> If the Board decides that this demographic is NOT what Fedora should be >> aiming for, then I am all for the re-naming and reorganizing the >> download page. We could have "Gnome desktop", "KDE Desktop", "Xfce >> Desktop", "LXDE desktop", "server edition", "bare netinstall", and >> anything else that has enough people working on it to provide a valid >> offering. >> >> So, to try to bring this back to being constructive: >> >> 1. Feel free to appeal this decision to the Board. Ask them to overrule >> FESCo if you think this is a incorrect decision. >> >> 2. Try and gather statistics or other data that does indicate that >> Fedora isn't popular or used by new linux users, and we should abandon >> trying to interest these people in fedora. Based on all the time I >> spend helping new folks in #fedora, I don't see this being the case at >> all. >> >> 3. Try and come up with some magical layout that does not present 20 >> choices to new users, but allows those more experenced users to find >> the KDE and other installs they want. I really don't know how that >> would look, but perhaps there is some way. > > Magical can be: Shows up a list at the installer where you can chose > from Gnome or KDE (both on the same line with no default activation) > and on the next line an alternative environment, here you have thinks > like E17, XFCE, LXDE ... But you only the them, if you click on > "alternative". Why treat XFCE as second class citizen ... ok lets add it to the list. But what about LXDE ? ..... You see where this leads too ... a distro should (I would even say must) provide a default choice. Its a distro not a bunch of packages that gets shipped. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
