On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 09:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Matthias, I was going to say something similar to Michael: I can take > your point in theory, but in practice it's difficult to see how you can > possibly achieve the goal of a full GNOME environment in 1GB. Even with > all the potential change on the table with the fedora.next stuff, I > don't see that there's enough fat to cut to be able to say confidently > that we'll be able to deliver what we want as the coherent GNOME > experience inside of 1GB for the foreseeable future. > > Look at the significant stuff that's cut from the current live: > > %packages > # reduce the office suite in size > -planner > -libreoffice-xsltfilter > -libreoffice-pyuno > -libreoffice-emailmerge > -libreoffice-math > > # remove some other applications > -gnome-boxes > -gnome-dictionary > > # Dictionaries are big > # we're going to try keeping hunspell-* after notting, davidz, and ajax > voiced > # strong preference to giving it a go on #fedora-desktop. > # also see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/681084 > -aspell-* > -man-pages* > -words > > # Help and art and fonts can be big, too > -evolution-help > -desktop-backgrounds-basic > -*backgrounds-extras > -stix-fonts > > # These things are cut purely for space reasons > -aisleriot > -brasero > -brasero-nautilus > -bijiben > -gnome-system-log > -deja-dup > -eog > -gnu-free-mono-fonts > -gnu-free-sans-fonts > -gnu-free-serif-fonts > -uboot-tools > -dtc > > especially that last section, those are things the desktop team clearly > wants in the Proper Experience, as they're in the GNOME desktop comps > group (most of them). They're being cut "purely for space reasons". At > bare minimum, it seems like you'd somehow need to cut enough space from > the 'deliverable' (whatever it winds up being, with fedora.next) both to > get all those things back in, and to account for future bloat, or else > we'll be stuck on the'try and find some space to save in a raging hurry > every milestone' train. Again, what I was trying (poorly) to describe is not so much about size or bloat, but about conceptual clarity - you install the OS as a unit, but applications are separate from it and can be installed, played with, removed, separately. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
