On 27 November 2013 21:28, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > to a rough approximation, no-one likes gnome-packagekit What a way to be awesome. >GNOME Software is a classic Fedora feature: in F20, it's there and it just about manages the most basic functions. You know what, I don't know why I bother. Do you know what the alternative is? A developer goes into a cave, and comes out two years later with a finished design and implementation that cannot be changed. Real (not theoretical) users try to use the finished code, and find it unsuitable for X, Y, Z reasons. I thought Fedora was *all about* release early, release often? If I had 5 people working on software and application management full time we could have done something better than gnome-packagekit years before, and we certainly could have prototyped, designed, implemented and tested a working offline update in less than 6 months. But the reality was that until very recently we had a toxic environment for the package stack with an unstable API that nobody was allowed to alter (remember the debacle with Zif?) and a single person (me) working about one day a week on the whole middleware and UI stack. Anyway, I best get back to writing confusing code. Richard -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop