On 11/27/2013 02:39 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > To do that we need an audience who's able to evangelise to a wider base. > Are developers going to do that? And if they are, how do we attract them > in the first place? Well, wasn't it developers and sysadmins evangelizing from the bottom up that got Linux taken seriously and deployed within enterprises from a server POV? So I think yes, if they like something they will evangelize it. We're more attractive than OS X I think in that we're built on top of a base that is closer to the platforms they're deploying to (assuming a web / server developer of course not desktop / mobile.) Even better, if the three product Fedora.next plan goes well, they'll have server and cloud versions of the environment to deploy to - there is no equivalent that I am aware of for OS X, except for - again - desktop and mobile app devs that are targeting OS X and iOS. Even better, those server/cloud versions are from the same family as the leading enterprise Linux product already widely used in the market. We could do better on this part of the story, sure. But where we are weakest is in the front end user experience / environment. And I think if we get the first part right, we still don't have enough to pull them over, we need to get the front end user experience good enough in comparison to OS X. (Difficult since they've had 13+ years to hone that) That being said, a good start would be to look at the longstanding complaints developers have against the OS X front end. For example, I was reading a rant from some guy (I think linked off of that register article i posted before) who bought some huge $$$ Apple Cinema display monitor and was angry because OS X spaces would only use his primary monitor (laptop screen) so his second $$ monitor was kind of useless to him. Our multi-monitor story is pretty poor as well (eg https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712325 .) It seems common or at least desirable for developers to have a multi-monitor set up, from my days doing contextual interviews on site with RH customers, and walking around Google's office in Mt. View and even Red Hat's office here in Westford. If we focused on making a kickass multi-monitor experience that bettered OS X, that would be a good step in the right direction. Anyway we could do a review of complaints devs have about other desktop systems then do an affinity map of the complaints, block them out into different focus areas (e.g., multi-monitor), and then attack them one-by-one. ~m -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
