On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 02:04:51PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > If there are no desktop users running GNOME then there's no incentive > > for developers to target it. Targetting developers is going to change > > our marketing message, which is going to filter out as "Fedora isn't a > > good choice for an average end user". Users end up running Unity or > > Cinnamon or MATE or KDE instead, developers shift to targetting them and > > we end up with no suite of well integrated applications to ship. > > If that happens, I would expect Workstation to look at this and say > GNOME isn't the correct fit. As Matthias said a while ago, > Workstation isn't GNOME. Sticking with something the broader group > you're targeting isn't using is pointless. If that's a conscious decision then it's fine, but it's an inevitable consequence of the current focus. That should be made explicit. > > The PRD makes it pretty clear that, as far as the WG is concerned, it's > > "ignore". That's not our current message. > > The word ignore is not in the PRD. Please choose a different word. There's nothing in the PRD to indicate that the working group will put any effort into satisfying normal user requirements unless it happens as a side effect of satisfying the requirements of the target audience. So, indifferent? > > Decisions *have* been made. They're not necessarily final, but offering > > alternatives isn't useful unless there's any desire to revisit them. > > Can you point me to where any decision on anything has been made aside > from Governance? We have 4 drafts of a PRD that Christian has come up > with. The entire WG hasn't even commented on it, let alone voted. If > you're basing your statement on the implication that silence is > agreement, that's understandable but people need to realize that NOW > is the time to make alternative suggestions rather than assumptions > that this is done by fiat. We have four drafts of a PRD that's been written by the manager of the group that's going to be responsible for providing most of the workstation development effort. If he's committed to providing a developer-focused product then it seems likely that that'll be the outcome. If that's not the case, I'm happy to work on an alternative proposal. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
