Hi Alexander, Well hopefully we will be able to alleviate this worries as time goes on, but the problem is that Fedora up to now have been trying to reach 'everyone', but have instead ended up reaching 'no one', just try putting a term like 'Fedora linux' into a google trends search. We have to start somewhere and getting developers onto the platform is step one, we can as said in other emails start looking at broadening the scope as time goes by, but trying to start out by adding everyone's favorite user segment quickly puts us back in the land if no focus. In general though I wouldn't be to worried about a tons of programming language specific stuff filling your system, people defining themselves as developers doesn't really want 5 tons worth of stuff they never use either. So instead we are building tools like the Developer Assistant which will make it easier for developer to install the tools they do want and need, as opposed to trying to preload the system with every development tool under the sky. So the developer focus will more take the form of having a couple of items available like the Developer Assistant that makes installing development tools and scenarios easier and working on features like improved terminal handling and so on, as it is a much wanted developer request. So that is the nature of the developer focus, working on features and tools for developers, not automatically installing 500 different IDEs as that wouldn't work for anyone either :) Christian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Volovics" <a.volovic@xxxxxxxxxx> To: desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:27:53 AM Subject: Re: Updated Fedora Workstation PRD draft On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:47:22AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 11/26/2013 07:42 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > > It seems to me the same goals could be accomplished by making > > a "barebones", excellent quality 'base' Fedora and then having > > a 'development group', a 'server group', a 'cloud group', > > an 'other users group', etc.., of app packages that the user can > > add to this 'base' Fedora as needed. > I think the 'other users' will be covered by the spins. For example, the > 'Design Suite' spin isn't going anywhere - that has Gimp, Inkscape, > Blender, and a bunch of other stuff targeted at digital artists. Just > because the main workstation doesn't target digital artists doesn't mean > it won't be usable for them, and I intend to continue using Fedora for a > workstation to use that kind of software. I too intend to continue using Fedora. But specifically targeting "developers" could have consequences: - Fedora is perceived as a 'for developers only' distribution. This might result in less people willing to package "other" software for Fedora. - Users like you or me might find that Fedora contains about 20% stuff related to development infrastructure and libraries that we will never use and that we might not be able to remove. From our standpoint 'bloat' with acompanying security problems, updates and bugs. (For example now in Fed19 I find 81 items related to Perl. I don't use Perl and are all these items really necessary for running a base Fedora system). AV -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
