On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 05:23:28PM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:18:07PM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote: >> > Hi Matthew, >> > Because they are not primarily developing desktop applications? Or are developing cross platform applications? >> >> So who's going to write the normal desktop applications for our >> platform? > > To expand on this - Fedora is the only significant distribution to use > the full GNOME stack for our desktop apps. If we don't seek to target > average desktop users then there's no incentive for developers to target > the GNOME stack, which means there's no new and interesting desktop apps > which means there's no incentive for average desktop users to run > Fedora. Saying that we won't actively discourage average desktop users > from running Fedora is a copout - the inevitable consequence is that > average desktop users will stop running Fedora because there's nothing > for them to use there. I think you're conflating what upstream does and what Fedora does. Fedora is a distribution that packages the applications that other upstreams work on. I don't think a Fedora PRD is going to either magically make more upstreams produce more interesting applications nor do I think they'll stop making them. Workstation can and should include the interesting desktop apps you're referring to, but Fedora the project has never been the one to create those. > Ignoring non-developers does nothing to advance Freedom. It's likely to I think there is middle ground between "ignore" and "focus on". You're painting a picture that seems to have Workstation as simply a random collection of APIs and the usability is left to the users. I don't think that will be the case at all. At least not any more so than today's Fedora. > shrink our community, so it's not clear that it's doing anything for > Friends. I'd argue that any PRD should be fundamentally based on the > four foundations, and I'd like to see a strong justification for how > Workstation is doing so. You're approaching hyperbole here. Workstation is working through things and you're demanding justifications for decisions that aren't even made. I would rather you make suggestions for the proper focus and approach for Workstation. That will be more helpful. josh -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
