Both tools are from same company (Trello was aquired by atlassian), Interesting they promote Trello + Jira for various project activities ( https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/comparison/jira-vs-trello ) There is something nice about trello atleast for individuals to track at high level. But Jira is definitely better for sprints/tasks/issue tracking with great configuration options, the current redmine for *issue* tracking also meets needs but i think it lacks in integration with github and not all-in-one for task and sprint tracking like Jira. I wasn't aware of Jira providing free software for few open source projects but that is really nice ( https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license-request ) On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 7:57 AM, John Spray <jspray@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> [Moving to ceph-devel] >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2018, Kai Wagner wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to start the "tool's" discussion once again. I attended the >>> Ceph Day in London last week and after a few beers after the event we >>> started to talk about how Ceph upstream does issue and feature tracking. >>> I had those conversation already several times at different events but >>> every time the outcome was the same - "Should be improved!". >>> >>> The problem here is, that Trello is not made for what we're currently >>> trying to use it for. On the other hand lots of those cards only have a >>> single "headline" without any former context. This makes it really hard >>> to follow and contribute. Also the linking between the tracker and >>> trello is manual work. >>> >>> I would like to start a discussion about Jira again. It's possible to >>> request an Open Source license which makes it possible to use Jira >>> completely unlimited including all the Plugins. The >>> "dashboard/openATTIC" team did that for many years already - >>> tracker.openattic.org >>> >>> Within Jira bugs, features, improvements and as well as releases could >>> be easily tracked. We would reduce the tool suite from two total >>> different tools to just one tool which could be used for everything. I >>> would volunteer here to help with any questions regarding Jira or the >>> request process. >> >> (Note that there is a third tool here--github--that probably isn't going >> away.) >> >> I'm game for a better tool. The main friction with change here is around >> the bug tracking in redmine, just because there are so many issues there >> covering such a large time period, but if we're talking about >> feature/radomap/release tracking (which are already handled outside of >> redmine) then I don't see that as a problem. >> >> I'm personally not super thrilled about jira because it's a closed >> platform, even if they do offer free accounts for open source projects. >> (Yes, github and trello are no better.) >> >> Right now the only trello board I really use is >> >> https://trello.com/b/ugTc2QFH/ceph-backlog >> >> and I only use it for a high-level view of feature work across the >> project. The lists are per-topic or subsystem, which isn't (I think?) how >> these things are normally shown (i.e., it's not kanban). The only other >> thing it does it loosely track what is targetted at the next release via >> colored labels. That's all pretty basic, and to be honest I don't know >> that I need much more. >> >> On the other hand, it's not very useful for other contributors (especially >> new ones) to come look at. That's partly because there is no detail >> written for the cards, but that could easily be fixed by writing up some >> notes for each item, linking to the relevant CDM discussions or etherpad >> notes, and so on. >> >> So I guess my question are we looking for out of the tool(s), and what >> is currently missing? > > I'm reasonable comfortable using proprietary tools for ephemeral-ish > things like code review and feature/release tracking, but less > comfortable using them for tracking bugs and backports, where the > durable reference from the git history to the tool is more important. > With proprietary tools, I think we should aim to maintain a posture > where if they go evil, we can quickly drop them and move on without > any long term pain. > > Having two trackers for bugs vs. features is awkward, but we're > already in that situation with redmine+Trello, so I'm pretty open to > adopting Jira as a Trello replacement, as long as we actually stop > using Trello (don't want to increase the overall number of tools). > I'm not a big fan of Trello so I'd happily make that jump tomorrow if > enough people were into it. > > If we ever want a unified tracker for everything then I think it needs > to be free software, and it'll need to be featureful enough to satisfy > the Jira/Trello itch -- I'm not sure if that exists today, it's > possible that redmine is as good as it gets in the free tool space? > We should also consider whether there are redmine extensions available > that give us the feature tracking functionality that we would like. > > John > > >> sage >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe ceph-devel" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe ceph-devel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe ceph-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
