I have also found that using an 80 character display is ore productive. it seems that the more you can get within the grasp of your fingertips at a time, the better it is. It does take some effort though if you are used to doing things with speech. When I first started ut in dos, I started with braille. I hated going to speech but was forced to it by circumstanc. It's even better when yu use the display for navigation in real time in addition to reading I can read a line and snap right to something that needs fixing without having to fiddle with keys to do it. I can do other things while working on the computer with braille but not with speech so that makes me more productive. I have been reading braille since 1956. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Craig" <tecraig@earthlink.net> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: the Papenmeir device that was supposed to be coming out Hi Luke, I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone either. I do believe that statistically though I am on safe ground. One statistic is that 80% of blind people are unemployed and that 80% of the ones who are employed are Braille users. I based my statements on my experience and on the people I have worked with and trained throughout the years. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. I also believe that there is a huge difference in the Braille display you are using. For example, using an eighty character display is much more productive than using a 20 or 40 cell display. Tommy _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list