As yet another non-native English speaker, my understanding of the difference is as follows: Objective: has clear scope and clear time lines Initiative: the scope is developing as we go and there are no time lines, or time lines are vague, not exactly defined So, I am aligned with Josh and Robyduck in the meaning. Regards, Jan On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Robert Mayr <robyduck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 2017-06-14 16:20 GMT+02:00 Brian Exelbierd <bex@xxxxxxxxx>: >> What about projects? As in Fedora Project projects :P >> >> /me ducks >> >> Serious reply below. >> >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017, at 05:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 08:44:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> > > self-explanatory than I hoped it to be. I'd like to fix this. One quick >>> > > thing I'd like to do is change "Objective" to "Initiative", which seems >>> > > to be more intuitively understood. There's more, but does anyone object >>> > > to me doing this as a first easy thing? >>> > >>> > I don't object, but I don't understand the difference or why it matters. To me: >>> > >>> > - objective: concrete thing you want to accomplish in a given timeframe >>> > - initiative: set of related work items spread across multiple areas, >>> > usually with a timeline much longer than an objective >>> > >>> > Which did you originally envision Fedora having? >>> >>> I think a little more like the latter; I think people's understanding >>> of "objective" seems to be either an immediate task (maybe like "this >>> quarter") or else something really big (more like "vision" in a formal >>> model). I was aiming for what's possibly a _series_ of objectives over >>> a 12-18 month period. I also like "work items spread across multiple >>> areas" from your second point - that's one of the reasons we wanted >>> these at the Council level. >> >> I think that both work. I'd like the input of some non-American English >> speakers for which is more commonly understood. That's the one we >> should pick. >> >> regards, >> >> bex >> _______________________________________________ >> council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Ok, so as a non native speaker the terms are quite different and are > as Josh said. > Objective: this is an official thing a group works for, in a given > timeframe, and they make also investments to reach the objective in a > successful way. > Initiative: it's less important, it is an initiative a group is > working on, can be successful or even not. There can be many > initiatives in the same moment, but a group will probably not make > investments on them. > > In my understanding we are working on objectives, and we want to be > successful with them, allocating also budget for them. > But remember, it's the understanding of a non native speaker and how > they are used in my language(s). So, if you want to go for Initiative > because there is a reason in the English wording, then I'm fine with > it. > Regards > > -- > Robert Mayr > (robyduck) > _______________________________________________ > council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
