That was it! I belive my mistake was not installing the first update or only the first update. I figured out how to trash darwin and then used SourceForge.net to make sure I got all of the needed up dates. I see all of the other problems windows based machines are having and I feel good that my problems are my own fault. Enjoying your hard work, George ===== We all bleed red. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Newbie@XFree86.Org *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie