I use trn because the whole thread-tree-centric interface is so perfect for my brain; I'd love to understand the psychology behind it. While I'm using trn, mainly pressing n <spacebar> { - k J <comma> <left>, each single keypress is very closely associated in my mind with the effect on the tree diagram. It's as though I am physically adjusting the device. I've noticed maybe 10 or so people over the years post comments indicating they have the same "makes me want to do cartwheels" reaction to trn as I have, but for the rest of the world it seems a complete miss. Even when I try to carefully demonstrate its benefits, I always get the "Huh? So what?" response: They'd rather use hotmail. (And then there are the newsgroup moderators whose software destroys Ref/IRT headers ... ) I've been known to argue that a discussion of the same subject among the same participants would be significantly higher quality with fewer doh!s if everyone used trn, because of the increased awareness of the big picture, including the obvious indicator of how many people have already responded to this message, and the ease with which you can jump to the parent, root, and previous message to avoid attribution and context errors. What is the history of the tree diagram? Who conceived/designed/implemented it? Was it inspired by some previous software or transcription method? Something from linguistics? trn culture has provided some memorable expressions: I particularly enjoyed explanations that begin with "trn believes ..." and responses to "How do I defeat the 4-line sig limit?", as well as the "are you absolutely sure?" jokes like http://doks.port5.com/trn/humour.pnews.html Perhaps if some renewed development happens you can encourage the IPv6 stuff and cleanups proposed by Rhialto in October (His ISP rejects any mail I send: have others contacted him?) For those who find it depressing to be participating in a discussion about trn using software designed for private email messaging, try using your favorite newsreader at nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.trn.general Many thanks to Wayne and the others for such great software, and special thanks to Colin for "apt-get install trn4". ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com