On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:51:03AM +0000, dep via tde-users wrote: > said Steven D'Aprano via tde-users: > > | It was so good that Apple used Konquorer's web engine as the basis of > | Safari. > > Which is so good that everyone using Mac or IOS first thing gets another > browser and commences bitching that it can't be made the default. That would be an amazing trick, seeing as Safari came out in 2003 and iOS didn't come out until 2007. Dep, I'm not sure if you're a Mac user or not, but I don't recall any period when Mac users were generally disatisfied with Safari. Right from the beginning it was faster, more responsive, better looking, and more functional than IE for Mac, which was really showing its age by then. Of course there are always people looking for something different, or better, but I'm not aware of "everyone" getting a new browser. Especially on Macs, where the majority of users don't tinker with the Apple defaults, that seems to be a rather strong claim. Blast from the past: https://www.macworld.com/article/157447/safari.html https://macdailynews.com/2004/06/05/four_mac_os_x_browsers_that_give_apples_safari_a_run_for_its_money/ > | In the late 1990s, most of the web was designed for Internet Explorer > | only, which had over 90% marketshare. Most web developers thought that > | IE *was* the internet. If you found one that acknowledged the existence > | of Netscape Navigator, you were doing well. If you found one who tested > | their web pages on Navigator, you celebrated. > > Actually, msft got totally blindsided by the advent of the Internet, which > is why there wasn't even a tcp/ip stack with stock Win 95 -- which is why > the "Windows 95 Plus! Pack" thing got rushed to market. Yes they were, nevertheless by the late 1990s, IE had captured most of the browser marketshare. I misremembered the peak of IE's share, it was in fact 92% in 2004, so a few years later than I had thought. > The market share of which you speak had to do with Microsoft including a > basically unremovable IE in every copy of Windows, along with forcing > computer makers to pay for a copy of Windows for every computer they sold, > whether it had Windows on it or not. Indeed, but we're mostly concerned with the period that KDE and Konquorer existed. That's the 2000s onwards. > At the end of 1995, IE's market share > was >3 percent; it was ~40 percent at the end of 1997 -- Netscape still > had more than half of the browser market at that time. Sure, but by 2000 IE had about 80% of the market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_wars > There was a vast > amount of litigation in connection with it. Netscape at the time charged > for the Navigator browser and the Communicator suite. > > | On Linux, there were a couple of text-only browsers, lynx and links, > | Netscape Navigator (which was them forked to Mozilla), Opera, and > | Konquorer (which came out in 2000). Konq, and Opera, were by far the > | better of the options. But Opera was closed source and couldn't be > | distributed with Linux, and Konq only worked with KDE. Midori didn't > | come out until 2007. So if you wanted a desktop-independent open source > | graphical web browser in 2000 on Linux, your only choice was Mozilla, > | even though it was big, bloated and slow. > > No. First, from the beginning of KDE there was what amounted to Konqueror, > KFM, which was a file manager as well as a browser (and really good ftp > client). I've attached a screenshot I made in July 1999 of it displaying > the KDE home page. The arrival of Konqueror with KDE2 marked functionally > a port of KFM with a new name. True, there was KFM, I had forgotten about that. https://www.mit.edu/afs.new/athena/system/rhlinux/redhat-6.2-docs/RH-DOCS/gsg/s1-managers-kfm.htm And you are correct, Netscape Navigator was still being used on Linux systems in 2000. My comments were not intended as an exhaustive list of every single piece of software that had ever been written capable of displaying HTML and following hyperlinks. Star Office, really? -- Steve ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
