Re: Using Konqueror for the web

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On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 07:01:33PM +0000, dep via tde-users wrote:

> In my estimation Konqueror is not only the worst web browser ever made but
> the worst from its very inception and the worst imaginable.

In the early 2000s, before the KDE 3 -> KDE 4 redesign that lead to the 
creation of TDE, I used to regularly use Konquorer on the web. At the 
time, it was very possibly the best or second web browser available, up 
there with Opera.

It was so good that Apple used Konquorer's web engine as the basis of 
Safari.

(To be precise, it was technically KHTML and KJS that were forked to 
become Webkit, the core of Safari.)

A bit of browser history for the kiddies who may not have been alive 
back then, and the grown-ups who may have forgotten :-)

In the late 1990s, most of the web was designed for Internet Explorer 
only, which had over 90% marketshare. Most web developers thought that 
IE *was* the internet. If you found one that acknowledged the existence 
of Netscape Navigator, you were doing well. If you found one who tested 
their web pages on Navigator, you celebrated.

On the Mac, you had IE for Mac. Until Safari came out, Apple's web 
browser was a version of IE for Mac. Chimera, which later rebranded as 
Camino, didn't come out until 2002, and Safari in 2003.

On Linux, there were a couple of text-only browsers, lynx and links, 
Netscape Navigator (which was them forked to Mozilla), Opera, and 
Konquorer (which came out in 2000). Konq, and Opera, were by far the 
better of the options. But Opera was closed source and couldn't be 
distributed with Linux, and Konq only worked with KDE. Midori didn't 
come out until 2007. So if you wanted a desktop-independent open source 
graphical web browser in 2000 on Linux, your only choice was Mozilla, 
even though it was big, bloated and slow.

Mozilla later became the name of the foundation overseeing the former 
Netscape software products, and the browser renamed as Seamonkey. The 
web browser parts of Mozilla/Seamonkey were forked into Phoenix, which 
was then renamed to Firebird, then Firefox.

Firefox changed the world of the web, breaking IE's near monopoly, but 
that was still many years in the future.

There was no Chrome or Chromium. Opera was closed-source, there was no 
Vivaldi yet. There was no Brave, and in the glory days of 2000, "privacy 
on the internet" meant "don't tell people your home address".

In those early days, Javascript was still optional, most web pages were 
static HTML, and Konquorer was an unknown treasure, unknown outside of 
the KDE community, and Apple, which took notice of it and forked it for 
Safari.


> It's a good
> file browser, though for anything critical I prefer mc in a terminal or
> Krusader, which is an X mc. And I very much hope that no one ever tries to
> make Konqueror a browser anymore -- the idea of it as a web browser was
> abaodoned by KDE about five years ago, to the regret of no one because it
> really sucked in that function.

Somebody ought to tell KDE then, because Konquorer's last update was one 
day ago:

https://invent.kde.org/network/konqueror

https://apps.kde.org/konqueror/



-- 
Steve
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