On Thu, 22 May 2014, Bryan wrote:
> Reply bottom-posted.
>
> On 5/22/2014 12:56 PM, Craig Arno wrote:
>> Hi Bryan,
>>
>> > /I'm puzzled that you said you have this "missing folder" issue with
>> Thunderbird as well though. All of our Thunderbird clients render all of
>> the folder names correctly here./
>>
>> I'm puzzled to know how you can't see this issue with Squirrelmail
>> 1.4.22 / Thunderbird 24.5.0 (Linux & Windows) unless you haven't tried
>> it, or we're discussing two different issues. If you haven't tried it,
>> then you're wasting everyone's time (including mine) by posting to this
>> list.
>>
>> The issue I describe is neither SquirrelMail, nor Thunderbird will allow
>> me to *CREATE* "JunkSubFolder" (as is done manually in the next
>> paragraph). *-Try this-,* and then tell me how this isn't an issue with
>> your setup, or that this isn't the issue you describe.
>>
>> In the Command Shell, go to ~/mail and execute "mkdir JunkSubFolder".
>> (This step can -not- be performed through current versions of
>> SquirrelMail or Thunderbird {Windows or Linux} through Dovecot)
>>
>> Now, in SquirrelMail go to "Folders". Subscribe to "JunkSubFolder".
>> Perform a "refresh folder list". Notice how in SquirrelMail this new
>> subfolder now displays in SquirrelMail *and can be used**in
>> SquirrelMail*. If all of your issue is about is "rendering" or
>> "displaying", this demonstrates rendering or displaying are not issues
>> in SquirrelMail.
>>
>> In Thunderbird try to Subscribe to "JunkSubFolder". *You can't*. It's
>> displayed, but you can't use it. With no ability to Subscribe, this
>> also means Thunderbird can't use this new subfolder. *You can use this
>> subfolder in SquirrelMail as I'll now prove*.
>>
>> In SquirrelMail "Folders", in the "Create Folder" area, set "as a
>> subfolder of" to "JunkSubFolder". Now fill in the dialog box with a
>> mailfolder name like "myStuff". Press the Create button. Perform a
>> "refresh folder list". Notice how "myStuff" now appears under
>> JunkSubFolder.
>>
>> In Thunderbird you can -now- subscribe to the existing
>> JunkSubFolder/myStuff (thanks to SquirrelMail creating
>> JunkSubFolder/myStuff). To display JunkSubFolder/myStuff in
>> Thunderbird, you must shutdown Thunderbird, all the way, no open
>> windows, restart Thunderbird, then JunkSubFolder/myStuff will display
>> and will already for use through Dovecot because the last actions with
>> SquirrelMail already subscribed you to JunkSubFolder/myStuff.
>> Thunderbird doesn't support a "refresh folder list" function, like
>> SquirrelMail does, so complete shutdown and restart is the only way to
>> "refresh".
>>
>> From this point forward both SquirrelMail and Thunderbird can create
>> and use "myStuff2", and "myStuff3" -in- the new JunkSubFolder from
>> either application UI.
>>
>> Since neither program can CREATE JunkSubFolder, I believe what you are
>> calling a BUG is really a FEATURE REQUEST (as you suggested is a
>> possibility). What I find interesting/amazing is with manual
>> intervention, both programs handle the resulting file system directory
>> structure correctly through Dovecot -after- it is manually setup outside
>> of either program.
>>
>> Practical or not, this is the current status quo.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2014 11:05 AM, Bryan wrote:
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> That's an interesting solution but not practical for a large user base.
>>> I'm puzzled that you said you have this "missing folder" issue with
>>> Thunderbird as well though. All of our Thunderbird clients render all of
>>> the folder names correctly here. I'm only seeing this issue from
>>> Squirrelmail. I completely understand why since from a filesystem level,
>>> no such "folder" exists. I'm starting to develop the opinion that I
>>> might classify this as either something deserving a feature request or
>>> plug-in fix.
>>>
>>> I'm open to other ideas though if someone else on the list can chime in.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2014 5:18 PM, Craig Arno wrote:
>>>> I'm running Squirrelmail 1.4.22 using Dovecot and had to do a little
>>>> manual intervention to make Folders display this way:
>>>>
>>>> - People
>>>> Mike
>>>> Donna
>>>> Xavier
>>>>
>>>> or collapsed:
>>>>
>>>> + People
>>>>
>>>> The manual intervention involved going to my physical ~/mail folder area
>>>> using the unix command shell. (or wherever Dovecot stores your saved
>>>> personal folders in your system, in mine it's configured to be ~/mail)
>>>>
>>>> Once there, "mkdir People"
>>>>
>>>> Now back in Squirrelmail go to the "Folders" Unsubscribe/Subscribe
>>>> area. Locate "People" (I found mine all the way at the bottom of the
>>>> list, not in the order I was expecting, so you may have to look
>>>> carefully at your list) and -Subscribe- to this empty Folder. Refresh
>>>> your browser window and this new folder will show up in Blue in between
>>>> all the Black "Mail Folders". From there you can use SquirrelMail to
>>>> add regular MailFolders to this new "Collection" subdirectory, and as
>>>> you subscribe to each, they will be displayed under the collapsible list
>>>> (after a "Folder Refresh"). Remember, you -must- subscribe to the top
>>>> level "Collection" name you created using "mkdir", or it won't show.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see or know of any ability to do this in SquirrelMail, so it has
>>>> to be done manually. I don't know if the ability to do this is missing
>>>> because Dovecot doesn't support this, or it's some sort of oversight, or
>>>> just my own lack of not knowing how. It doesn't matter, here is a manual
>>>> workaround to achieve what you requested, and once done, SquirrelMail
>>>> does support this "Collection" structure correctly, and quite nicely.
>>>>
>>>> What is a little confusing is "Folders", where it says "Create Folder"
>>>> is talking about making a "Mail Folder", a "file" in the unix file
>>>> system for saving email messages. Not a directory (Folder) in the file
>>>> system to create a *Collection* of Mail Folders.
>>>>
>>>> With a small amount of command line work you can get your Collections of
>>>> Mail Folders organized the way you want. You will of course have to
>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe all the changes you made at the file system level
>>>> so they are reflected properly in SquirrelMail/Dovecot. Once done, you
>>>> can use this structure as you'd expect.
>>>>
>>>> This is not just a SquirrelMail issue, I have the same issue in
>>>> Thunderbird through the Dovecot IMAP server. So I'm not sure where the
>>>> issue lies which prevents this being done through our Mailtools.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps you get to where you want to go.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/21/2014 02:12 PM, Bryan wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can provide versions, but this is something that I've always just
>>>>> ignored as an annoyance, now one of my users is asking me to fix it. I
>>>>> have spent hours on this and I either lack the proper words to describe
>>>>> this, or the search is so cluttered with "." and INBOX configuration
>>>>> concerns that I can't pick the solution out of the soup, nor can I even
>>>>> find someone posting a question like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the story and any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Dovecot/IMAP system usage is configured for folders can only
>>>>> contain sub-folders or e-mail. Not both.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the server and the users' mail folder looks like such (not a complete
>>>>> list just for illustration):
>>>>>
>>>>> ~/mail/.Sent
>>>>> ~/mail/.folder1.folderA
>>>>> ~/mail/.folder1.folderB
>>>>> ~/mail/.folder2
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> In Thunderbird I see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent
>>>>> Folder1 (folder contains folder, shown in nav only)
>>>>> FolderA (folder contains e-mails)
>>>>> FolderB (folder contains e-mails)
>>>>> Folder2 (folder contains e-mails)
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> In Squirrelmail I see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent
>>>>> FolderA
>>>>> FolderB
>>>>> Folder2
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> With all that data, my question is, how do I get Squirrelmail to show
>>>>> "Folder1" in the navigation tree, when no such folder exists on the file
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
> Hi Craig, I'm very sorry if I've wasted anyone's time. I was careful to
> indicate that I
> wasn't sure where to go with this, and I am thankful for the feedback.
> As for versions:
>
> I'm running:
>
> Dovecot/2.0.9
> SquirrelMail/1.4.22-4.el6
> Thunderbird 17.0.7 then pushed out an update to 24.5.0 to see if
> anything changed. Thunderbird is still displaying correctly.
>
> I guess I'm going to just run with your suggestion to fix up the one
> user so they're happy and not worry
> about it for now. I really appreciate your help and feedback.
>
> Thank-you again!
>
> Bryan
>
>
Bryan,
Dovecot uses the Maildir++ format by default for organizing mailbox
directories. You can see the information here.
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir
Under the "Directory Structure" Heading it talks about the issue you are
seeing.
When subfolders are created it can do so in two different ways.
1: ~/Maildir/.folder.subfolder/ is a subfolder of a folder (ie.
"folder/subfolder")
or
2: ~/Maildir/folder/subfolder/ is a subfolder of a folder
You can specify the latter by appending :LAYOUT=fs to mail_location in the
dovecot.conf file.
This won't help you with changing your existing Maildir subfolder layouts
but I would assume it will change the format for any future mailbox
changes.
I hope this helps.
Ted Hatfield
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