Re: caching videos over https?

Bakhtiyor Homidov <bakhtiyor.h@xxxxxxxxx> · Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:08:47 +0500

https://sourceforge.net/projects/squidvideosbooster/

what do you guys think about this? is it the same with https://cachevideos.com/?

thanks

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, --Ahmad-- <ahmed.zaeem@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
thanks yuri you have been great guy and still .
kind regards 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

  I'm not about it. 

There is a difference between help and passengers. Who want to
      get a turnkey solution without doing anything.
Personally, I quite simply as help to specify the direction, or
      to show that anything is possible in principle. The rest I do
      myself. If I do not - then I buy it.

      At the beginning of the thread I made it - that direction. I think
      that should be enough, is not it?

    20.11.2016 18:07, --Ahmad-- пишет:

          lol …. i hope you don’t  spent much time for
            helping people here on the mailing list for free .

          thanks again for your time .

                On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Yuri Voinov
                  <yvoinov@xxxxxxxxx>
                  wrote:

                Store-ID is
                    not quite cached. This deduplication and this is
                    just what

                  you need for dynamic content, which is the
                    majority of the video. Do not

                  forget about the volume of the video
                    itself.

                  As for the cache, you should look at what
                    video has captions under

                  HTTPS. Modern vanilla SQUID can not in most
                    cases its cache that

                  Store-ID with that without it. Because of
                    video HTTP headers and pragmas.

                  In any case, the complete solution is too
                    complex for the majority of

                  ordinary users Squid and too costly in
                    terms of effort to give it. These

                  solutions can either buy or write yourself,
                    agree? I see no reason to

                  give free solutions, which spent a lot of
                    time - it is not free.

                  20.11.2016 17:54, --Ahmad-- пишет:

                  you
                    are correct .

                    but video cache solution was very very simple when
                    compared to the store id .

                    also it support couple of websites without  that
                    much effort .

                    what i mean here is the simplicity …..im not in the
                    development level … i talk about the normal squid
                    users .

                    cheers 

                    On Nov 20, 2016, at
                      1:47 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov@xxxxxxxxx>
                      wrote:

                      And no need to invent anything. Everything has
                      already been invented.

                      And it is called the invention Store-ID.

                      You take it and write on the basis of all that is
                      needed. I do not see

                      any problem.

                      20.11.2016 17:45, --Ahmad-- пишет:

                      hey guys .

                        as long as the video cache has been opened now
                         and in past  proved its strength with http
                        other websites for video .

                        ((lets put youtube away now .))

                        why don’t we see development on it to support
                         the video contents of websites that support
                        http  like daily motion and its sisters websites
                        .

                        and why don’t we use certificates once
                        development for youtube & Facebook ???

                        i saw the development of eleizer of caching
                        windows updates and it was great solution …..
                        why don’t we combine those 2 solution in 1
                        product ?

                        i  think that continuing on the solution of
                        video cache is better than inventing solution
                        from scratch .

                        thanks again squid users Guys 

                        On Nov 20,
                          2016, at 1:10 AM, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
                          wrote:

                          The cachevideos solution is not a fake but as
                          Amos mentioned it might not have been
                          updated\upgraded to match today state of
                          YouTube and google videos.

                          I do not know a thing about this product but
                          they offer a trial period and they have a
                          forums which can be used to get more details.

                          I believe they still have something really
                          good in their solution since it's not based on
                          StoreID but on other concepts.

                          Eliezer

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                          -----Original Message-----

                          From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov@xxxxxxxxx] 

                          Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 00:18

                          To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>;
                          squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org

                          Subject: Re:  caching videos over
                          https?

                          20.11.2016 3:59, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:

                          Yuri,

                            I am not the most experienced in life and in
                            security but I can say it's possible and I
                            am not selling it....

                            I released the windows update cacher which
                            works in enough places(just by seeing how
                            many downloaded it..).

                            The first rule I have learned from my
                            mentors is that even if you know something
                            it might not fit to be in a form that the
                            general public should know about.

                            I am looking for a link to CVE related
                            publication rules of thumb so I would be
                            able to understand better what should be
                            published and how.

                            Any redirections are welcomed..

                            A note:

                            If you have the plain html of a json which
                            contains the next links you would be able to
                            predict couple things...

                          I know what are you talking about. I came to
                          this idea two years ago.

                          Unfortunately, I had more important
                          priorities.

                          But I'm not seen open source solutions uses
                          real YT internals yet and really works.

                          Now I'm working on another squid's thing, but
                          plan to return to YT store-ID helper later.

                          However, it is only the fact that the
                          "solutions" that are in the public domain, or
                          obsolete, or are worthless.

                          And for some more money and asking. I would
                          understand if they really worked.
                          Unfortunately, Google does not idiots work.

                          That's why I said that the development of the
                          Indian - fake.

                          If you would
                            be able to catch every single fedora\redhat
                            sqlite db file and replace it with a
                            malicious sha256 data you would be able to
                            hack each of their clients machine when they
                            will be updated.

                            If you believe you can coordinate such a
                            thing you are way above StoreID level of
                            understanding networking and Computer
                            Science.

                            Cheers,

                            Eliezer

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                            -----Original Message-----

                            From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov@xxxxxxxxx]

                            Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 23:08

                            To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; 

                            squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org

                            Subject: Re:  caching videos
                            over https?

                            I do not want to waste my and your time and
                            discuss this issue. I know what I know, I
                            have seriously studied this issue. None of
                            those who are really able to cache Youtube -
                            not only on desktops but also on mobile
                            devices - all without exception - is no
                            solution in the form of open source or blob
                            will not offer free. This is big money. As
                            for Google, and for those who use it.
                            Therefore, I suggest better acquainted with
                            the way Youtube counteracts caching and
                            close useless discussion.

                            I'm not going to shake the air and talk
                            about what I do not and can not be. If you
                            have a solution - really works, and for
                            absolutely any type of client (Android and
                            iPhone) - show evidence or let's stop
                            blah-blah-blah. I mean, if you really were a
                            solution - you'd sold it for money. But you
                            do not have it, isn't it?

                            Personally, I do not want anything. This is
                            not the solution I'm looking for. 

                            For myself, I found a workaround; what I
                            know - I have stated in the wiki. If someone
                            else wants to spend a year or two for new
                            investigations - welcome.

                            20.11.2016 2:45, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:

                            Yuri,

                              Let say I can cache youtube videos, what
                              would I get for this?

                              I mean, what would anyone get from this?

                              Let say I will give you a blob that will
                              work, will you try it? Or 

                              would you want only an open source
                              solution?

                              Eliezer

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                              From: squid-users
                              [mailto:squid-users-bounces@lists.squid-cache.org]

                              On Behalf Of Yuri Voinov

                              Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 17:54

                              To: squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org

                              Subject: Re:  caching videos
                              over https?

                              HTTPS is not a problem, if not a problem
                              to install the proxy 

                              certificate to the clients.

                              The problem in combating caching YT by
                              Google.

                              19.11.2016 21:41, Yuri Voinov пишет:

                              19.11.2016 21:35, Amos Jeffries пишет:

                              19.11.2016 20:56, Bakhtiyor Homidov пишет:

                              thanks, yuri,

                              just found https://cachevideos.com/, what
                              do you think about this?

                              On 20/11/2016 4:17 a.m., Yuri Voinov
                              wrote:

                              This is fake.

                              Only for strange definitions of "fake".

                              It is simply an old helper from before
                              YouTube became all-HTTPS. It 

                              should still work okay for any of the
                              video sites that are still 

                              using HTTP.

                              YT uses cache-preventing scheme for videos
                              relatively long time 

                              (after they finished use Flash videos).
                              So, no one - excluding Google 

                              itself

                              - can cache it now. Especially for mobile
                              devices. I've spent last 

                              two years to learn this. So, anyone who
                              talk he can cache YT is lies.

                              As I explain here why:

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/DynamicContent/YouTube/Dis

                              c

                              ussion

                              All another videos - well, this is a bit
                              difficult - but possible to cache.

                              If you look at the features list it
                              clearly says:

                              "No support for HTTPS (secure HTTP)
                              caching."

                              HTTPS itself in most cases can't be easy
                              cached by vanilla squid.

                              Amos

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