On 6:42am, quoth Gordon Messmer: =>Steven W. Orr wrote: =>> =>> From my perspective, there has *not* been much spam going through the =>> lists. => =>Lists are subscriber-only, so you wouldn't. However, Red Hat's employees =>receive mail through the same MX as the lists, because it's all =>"@redhat.com". =>RBL's only work when implimented at the MX, so anything imposed on the =>redhat.com domain will impact the lists as well. If RH employees are =>getting spamed to hell and back (wouldn't surprise me), then the RBL's =>are their most likely, and most effective tool at reducing that spam. => =>> I find it disturbing that a dialup modem address RBL is being lumped =>> into the same set of addresses as cable modems. => =>For all practical purposes, there's no difference between a cable modem =>and a modem-modem dial-up. They're both variable IP connections. Mail =>sent out from one will likely not have a valid return path (even if =>yours does). => =>Your ISP provides an MX for you; you should be using it. My ISP also supplies an NNTP server as well. Is there some special reason that I should use that too even if I want to use another server? The argument is patently absurd. My point is very simple: There are a huge number of RBLs in the world. Some of them are good and people pay good money to use them. There are also lots of *bad* RBLs around that blacklist based on far lower and more nebulous criteria. The list is already blocked to non-subscribers. What exactly are we trying to prove here? Clearly the decision to use a *bad* RBL is done by a person who doesn't understand that this is a *bad* policy. I live in an area (like *most* people) who have exactly one choice for their ISP. I (and many of my friends) prefer to use my ISP for supplying bandwidth and nameserver resolution, and to not use them for anything else if I can help it. I receive my own mail and I send my own mail and I like it that way. I carefully choose my RBLs and I *know* what happens if I choose the wrong RBLs. Selecting an RBL that wipes out an entire set of ranges is different from selecting an RBL that targets specific spammers. Red Hat has chosen a bad RBL. -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net
