Hiya,
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:36:16AM +0000, Brian Johnson wrote:new version?
Could someone point me to a reference on what has changed for the
It's not yet available. Wait until the announcement on April 7 and the release notes will be publicly available, and you can get the chnagelog from every individual package when they've been uploaded.
Well yes and no. The release notes for the 8.0.94 Beta, which has since become RH 9, can be found at http://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/RELEASE-NOTES
Very interesting.
RH is up to it again!
... The following packages have been deprecated, and may be removed from a future release of Red Hat Linux:
- pine - License-related issues ... - lilo - Grub is the recommended bootloader
I absolutely hate grub! Now this sucks big time!
Now that pine is gone, there will be no pico. All I am left with is vi. I hate emacs, which is bloated and overly complicated for simple editing.
I wonder when vi will get tossed? After all only savy users use it. Like the ones who have been supporting RH for close to a decade now.
I feel like a broken record, ever since 7.3 the standard Unix utilities have been disappearing. For proffesional unix administrators like me this is more than just annoying. It is people like me who have been helping and supporting RH since 1995 that are being rejected by many of these changes. RH 9 may be my last release, then I may have to switch my support to another distibution or BSD version.
Getting new fickle customers at the cost of loosing long time supporters who helped RH get where they are does not make sense. A brand name is a marketing tool but word of mouth from respected unix "guru's" goes much further.
When I suggest one product over another, many people listen if I suggested that RH is now out and XX is what I am now supporting, and can migrate customers without much difficulty, within one release cycle I could estimate ~ 100 systems could be moved away from RH. I support almost a dozen operating systems and RH has been my prefered Linux distro on PC's but I won't support something that has been putting my job on the line and dropping support for legacy software.
Where will RH be, when all the free proffesional support disapears from these lists and the overall community. I have had to start moving servers to FreeBSD since RHN changed policies and RH 8 dropped many server related software packages. In the past 6 monthes I have had to move ~30 business critical systems away from RH because management was concearned with the direction RH started to go. Around 18 monthes ago we took over another company with FreeBSD servers, and they have performed as well as the RH servers, so management decided we would start to move servers when RH changed policies. I was reluctant then but now it is looking like it was probably a good decision. If we wanted to buy enterprise software we may have stayed with Solaris or moved to AIX or HPUX, their is NO compelling reason to RHEL over other solutions for Enterprise level equipment.
This should give you a good idea, and has a listing of which packages are left out, changed, and why.
And before anyone lights the match, 8.0.94 was the latest beta, and includes most of the discussed changes, so an obvious assumption is that is what became RH 9. If I am wrong there then someone from RedHat can correct me, as all flames will be sent to /dev/null.
This is not directed at you or this article specificly.
Well now that I have a fix for wine, I better get busy and fix the 10 machines that broke last week.
Regards,
Eric Burke
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